[ 2544 ] 迷惑メール(spam)撲滅私的調査会 HTML化ログ |
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the redirector "http://book-i.net/" is running an "Affiliate program"
(look http://book-i.net/jump/aff.html)
which is prone to spams--- and likely THEY are promoting the spam
anyway.
The bulkregister.com Whois database does NOT have the "book-i.net" data
which is suspicious enough.
I assume that not only the "mutou" guy but also the "book-i.net"
is trying to joe-job this site.
How's that sound like?
The spam run is current, so I've phoned the NTT free-dial 0120-047-815
("info-me-shon daiaru"/Information Dial)
and mentioned the [61.214.35.44] spamrun is current and you can arrest intime
but as a summary
"We can't do anything, mail the spam to abuse@"
fuckwithit.
(Well they have live human behind the lines, unlike NTT/VERIO)
I am the webmaster of this site. My name is Shinya Takasaki.
Thank you for contribution.
It is regrettable that Japanese spammer have made you trouble.
Of course, we japanese are also all victims.
The spam is against the law of juvenile pornography.
We connected with the Police and related ISP repeatedly
and have requested correspondence about Spam.
Of course , Spam is not allowed regardless of law.
This site is Japanese Antispam Site.
But Japanese ISP has slow correspondence about Spam.
It corresponds at last with many people's complaint.
Therefore, I want you to cooperate in the complaint to ISP.
You can see Japanese site,can't you?
Paste entire spam'header in hdpar.
http://mathom.jp/stak/index.html
The window of the complaint point is displayed.
Thank you!
I'm also a japanese; the only reason in Latin is I don't have
FEP/IME here for now.
LARTs now launched to info@ocn and info@fsi (NOT @fsinet)
(but OCN is well known to only give back a templated reply)
I've bitched really hard at the OCN phone contact but only the guy
behind the line can was to be sorry after telling OCN hasn't done
a thing for two years... FOAD OCN.
I've confirmed that the abuse addy of the fsinet is info@fsi
by voice phoning 0120-26-2501.
Addy for BBS here is fake; if you wanted the real addy you can Google NANAE
for it. I don't munge them hard there.
book-i.net is free URL redirector and abused in this case.
I think book-i.net and this spammer is not partner, simply
used redirector to hide real sender name.
The affiliate program is promoting to hubs.jp only. Since
this spammer does not use hubs.jp, I think this
program give nothing to this spammer.
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> book-i.net is free URL redirector and abused in this case.
Maybe. But the admin guy in
http://earth.endless.ne.jp/users/stakasa/spam/wforum/wforum.cgi?mode=allread&no=2373&page=0#2512
says "usually we won't nuke"
Usually?
Bad Joke.
Anything spammy should be TERMINATED IMMEDIATELY.
(Takin in NANAE will be eligible for full block; wanna try?)
And the admin guy didn't just nuke but auto-redirected to this BBS.
That looks more like looking for joe-job.
Why doesn't he just post "This site is nuked to abuse" on /mutou ?
Including a link here may be okay.
He SHOULDN'T auto-redirect here.
Thank you
Sorry, only in Japanese
Your opinion is very glad.
This bulletin board helps the victim of SPAM.
However, we cannot read English.
It is detailed and explanation is impossible.
The transmission place of SPAM is our mechanism.
If you please, please understand.
It is being wished our tool is helpful to you.
I would appreciate your king cooperation.
え〜、投稿者の方は日本語で読めるようですので
他の方への理解の為にも日本語で書きます。
投稿者のspam victim様はbook-iさんがスパム宣伝サイトを
こちらに転送して下さっているようにしているのを
悪意があって行っているのではないかと心配して下さっているようです。
スパムの宣伝サイトを私のサイトへ飛ばすようにした点への
危惧は最初にも
http://earth.endless.ne.jp/users/stakasa/spam/wforum/wforum.cgi?mode=allread&no=2373&page=0#2523
ねここねこ様などによって書かれているのですが、
とりあえず私は好意的にとらえて、良い側に利用しようと考え
そのままにしております。
実はこれと似たようなことは以前にもありまして、
ソニーテシオスパムと呼ばれるものが同様に被害が広がったとき
外国の動的DNSがやはり日本のアンチスパムサイトにつなげたことが
あったのです。
http://www2g.biglobe.ne.jp/~stakasa/spam/fruits-jp.html
で記録している、第二次被害の時の話です。
このときは転送URLではなく、ドメイン名の接続先を決定するDNSであり
その分致命的でした。つまり、今回の場合はスパマーは
転送先のURLを宣伝し直せば良いのですが
テシオは独自ドメインを使っていましたので、そのドメインを
宣伝するしかしかなく、結局一時的にテシオ氏(グループ)は
スパム行為を止めざるを得なくなりました。
それとは微妙に違いますけど、ともかくも
このようにスパム宣伝サイトが逆にアンチスパムの頁に
つながれた際に、利益と不利益がどちらが大きいのか判別つきません。
私が思うに、日本の中で出したら、碌にスパムに対処する機関が無く、
また容易に事情を説明できますし、
またスパムに嫌悪しながら対処を知らない人たちに、
良い宣伝になるので有り難いと思っているんですが
スパム対処に厳しい外国のことを考える、
すなわち一連のスパムが日本語の理解できない
他言語圏の方に配布された場合に、
現在の状況がどういう悪い結果をもたらすのか、
私には判断がつきません。う〜ん。
私のスタンスは先のねここねこ様へのレスの通りなのですが
外国からここへ飛んでくることは十分考えられる訳で
>投稿者のspam victim様はbook-iさんがスパム宣伝サイトを
>こちらに転送して下さっているようにしているのを
>悪意があって行っているのではないかと心配して下さっているようです。
そこで、次の一文を入れて
(The transmission place of SPAM is our mechanism.)
spam victim氏の投稿に対してあの様にレスして理解を求めてはいますけど
全ての英文の投稿に対してレスを付けるのも難しいかとは思いますが
あまりに、酷い状況に成ってきたらリンクを切ってもらうか
アクセス制限で蹴ればと思いますけど
(URLから辿って来る場合は効果は無いでしょうけど)
取り敢ずもう少し様子を見てはどうでしょうかね
The standard abuse handling procedure should be
* Nuke the injection dialup/ADSL etc
* Close the intermediate open relay/proxy
Then the important point is to stop the spammer's revenue stream, thus
* Nuke the dropbox
* Nuke the spamvertised site
- delete the virtual domain
- stop DNS
* Nuke the "opt-out" URL; ditto
> 私が思うに、日本の中で出したら、碌にスパムに対処する機関が無く、
There's no bureau/office/guvemint facility anywhere in world doing that.
Only are antispam ISPs.
And there are very few jap ISPs having antispam TOS, lesser who deploy.
> また容易に事情を説明できますし、
You can't.
Not every japs make sense out of this board.
AFAIK there is no evidence that japanese internet users are educated
even at the level of euro-american users.
(Have you ever seen japaneeze poster in NANAE etc? Nah.)
> またスパムに嫌悪しながら対処を知らない人たちに、
> 良い宣伝になるので有り難いと思っているんですが
You're using a spam to spamvertise this site.
Fourtunately you don't have any "banner" on this site,
but if the "antispam site" holds any kind of affiliate/banner thingies
be prepared for HARD flames.
There IS some hardcore antispammer who buys the spammer's DNS Domain
to establish an antispam site---but it's built to be straight and
comprehensible for dummies.
NOTE: dummies. NOT lurkers on this board.
And I don't think there is hardcore antispammers now in japan
which would qualify for this; most of the japaneeze antispam sites
are inorganized and just showing off the spams they receive.
Very few LARTs.
And the're already an evidence that japanese users think antispam
measures should be deployed by THEIR ISPs (not themselves);
what's the initiative of the users to LART the injection ISPs?
> スパム対処に厳しい外国のことを考える、
There is no antispam country. Only antispam ISPs exist.
> すなわち一連のスパムが日本語の理解できない
> 他言語圏の方に配布された場合に、
Redirecting to japaneeze site will more likely to be seen as
KOREAN spam. (eligible for full block on sight)
And redirecting to antispam site (and opening a spamvertised site as a
popup) is already implemented by spammers anyway.
You're looking for more trouble.
Only that jap spammers aren't smart enough now.
There is already full Japan block
deployed in some ISPs abroad because japan "law" allows one free bite
(and AFAIK there's no one busted, so virtually unlimited free bites)
> And the admin guy didn't just nuke but auto-redirected to this BBS.
> That looks more like looking for joe-job.
別投稿に書きましたように対処をいたしました。
http://earth.endless.ne.jp/users/stakasa/spam/wforum/wforum.cgi?mode=allread&no=2558&page=0#2563
私としては現在の所、biook-i様の行為を好意的にとらえているのですが
とりあえずbook-i様が私の要請にどういう行動を取られるかを
待ちたいと思います。
御配慮有り難うございました。
このことに関してアドバイス頂いた皆様に深く感謝し、
また、まだまだ現在進行形ですので、
一刻も早くスパムが止まること、宣伝サイトがなくなること、
スパマーがしかるべき所へ行くことを願っております。
I'm sorry this trouble. I just tarminated the sites. I don't like spams, because of the spam is only harrasment us. I don't related to mutou and other spammer. But I can only delete the accouts. I want the spam disappear.
I think Jump-i is one of the victims, too.
Everybody has their own opinion, and I think my opinion isn't always right, but I think the only one thing is true that the worst man is this thoughtless seller.(Ofcourse the seller is the webmaster of "しじみともものコラボレーション")
The webmaster of Jump-i is thinking better countermeasure, I think.
So we shoudn't blame him unnecessarily.
> I want the spam disappear.
まだ(ロリDVDサイトへの)転送を続けているようだったら,メールした
上で反応を見て,改善が無ければ「児童ポルノ法違反サイトへのURL転送
サービスを継続して提供している業者」として警察に通報しようかと思って
ましたが...
冒頭に引用した言葉と転送先を切り替えた事を評価したいと思います.
# 1個人に評価されても「だからどうした」って言われそうですが (^_^;
> まだ(ロリDVDサイトへの)転送を続けているようだったら,メールした
> 上で反応を見て,改善が無ければ「児童ポルノ法違反サイトへのURL転送
Taking the content as an issue will always open can of worms.
Don't.
spams are about CONSENT, not CONTENT.
Even anti-spammish lukers here seems not to get this.